Steve1 One thing, on the WW APP how do I get the AiO to supply the home between 16:00 and 19:00 hrs from the battery?

That should be achieved by having Eco mode toggled on in Giv. We don't touch Eco for charge instructions and depending on the type of Giv inverter generation and user settings, we tend to revert to Eco after export (to grid) instructions.

In other words, you shouldn't need to do anything, apart from have Eco toggled to On in your Giv app.

    Steve1
    I have never had any time setting set on the Timed Discharge window

    That is not necessary.

    Any conflicts should be removed by performing a full reset.

    Once that is done, then any charging slots selected by the Agile charging window will take over. Every other of the 48 half hour slots will be in Eco mode which will mean not pulling from the grid

    admin So I am still confused. With ECO set on the AiO the AiO seems to select charging windows that I have not selected in the WW APP, so what value is the WW APP performing if ECO ‘does its own thing’? Surely the whole point of the WW APP is to be able to select the cheapest Agile windows for charging the battery? My understanding was that the WW APP would control the Agile windows for charging the battery (and not the ECO mode on the AiO).

      Steve1 That is what is happening. WW will select the cheapest slots for you as long as you have an Agile charge window set up (and active) say 00:00-23:00, or you may split them up in multiple charge windows - it’s up to you, and then select number of half hour slots you want WW to select within that period.

      Regardless of all that, Eco setting should be set to on by default on your Giv inverter if you want to service house load in between charge or export slots.

        Steve1 Your understanding is correct. By just setting charge windows, the Eco Mode will not be affected. If you use 'Hold' = On, then between charging slots, your AIO Eco Mode will be disabled, providing you have enabled that in the advanced settings page:

        If you have not enabled 'Hold' then this can be ignored - either way, that won't cause your AIO to charge regardless of that setting.

        If your AIO is charging outside of your selected slots as your Charge Windows settings on the Agile page dictate, then you must have some other influence at play. And it has nothing to do with 'Eco Mode'
        Eco Mode is just to enable the house load to draw from the AIO when not actively 'charging'. Something must be controlling your AIO external to WW. Thus my suggestion is to reset everything.
        Is it possible you have set anything else up, like Octopus R&D or some other automation, like the one in the GivEnergy portal?

        A reset won't take these out of the equation
        If you are able to paste a copy of your GivEnergy logs - maybe we could decipher what is driving your AIO to behave unusually.

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          KristianS thanks. It’s becoming clearer how the GivEnergy AiO on ECO and the timed Agile slots on WW work together. One further point of confusion I have is regarding SOC Target and SOC Less than settings on the WW APP. I assume that the SOC Target is the 100% of battery capacity to be achieved within a given window, but not sure exactly what the SOC Less setting relates to - I assume that the battery charging only happens within a given window if the battery capacity falls below this value in said window. Is my understanding correct? As I want the battery to be fully charged in my window between 12:00 and 16:00 hrs (so as to provide battery to home between 16:00 and 19:00 hrs) I assume in this window I need to set the SOC Target to 100% - but what value should the SOC Less setting be?

          KristianS I did play with some other 3rd party APPs when the AiO was first installed before settling on WW. I believe I had deleted all of the inks to the AiO from these APPs, however, now you mention this, how can I be 100% sure? Is there an easy way to check?

          KristianS so should i have Automations set to Off in the GivEnergy settings?

          admin one further observation is that our Smart meter needs a reboot from Octopus. They say that currently they are unable to see all my half hour energy usage on Agile (even though I can see them at my end). Not sure if this relates to some of the ‘issues’ I have been observing

          KristianS these are my current settings on the AiO and WW APP




          First question - if I select the Eco Off Mode to On (as you suggest), I assume this would apply to all WW windows regardless of whether Hold charge is selected in a given window?

          The logic of my WW windows is as follows;

          Night - want the battery to be fully charged by 06:00
          Morning - want to use battery or grid or solar (whichever is cheapest option?)
          Afternoon - want the battery to be fully charged by 16:00 to provide energy to the home between 16:00 and 19:00
          Evening - want to use any capacity still in the battery before using the grid. If battery gets deplenished don’t want to recharge it in this window (use the grid)

          Please note that once the Agile rates are available on the WW APP I manually select the slots I want by editing them

          Hope this makes sense - any comments appreciated

            KristianS

            So to highlight my confusion. The battery is supplying energy to the house BUT the battery is at 28% and I had set the SOC on the WW APP to 50% for this window.

            KristianS Hi Kristian, I have toggled the Eco off hold to ON (as you suggested). My understanding is that this is required to be ON to allow any WW charging windows set with the option Hold charge Yes to work properly.

            KristianS Hi Kristian, toggling the Eco off to ON seems to have done the trick - the AiO is now following my WW APP selected slots and whether to hold the battery between slots within a window (or not). Many thanks.

            My only remaining uncertainty regards what the SOC less and target percentages mean and what they should be set at?

            I believe the target is the % charge of the battery to try to be achieved - is this correct?

            The SOC less value I believe is the minimum % charge remaining in the battery before it starts to recharge - is this correct?

            Many thanks again for all your help, it is/was greatly appreciated

              Steve1 The SOC less value I believe is the minimum %

              This value is basically a conditional check. So only if the SOC is less than specified % will the charge instruction be sent.

              Steve1 Hi Steve,
              I see some real problems with your setup here, both in WW and in the GivEnergy portal.
              In your second GivEnergy portal image, you have selected an automation that basically says - hold my battery until Peak Time. I don't know exactly what that does, but it sound like it won't allow your AIO to power the house except at the peak window - assuming 16:00 - 19:00 - so whilst you do want that in part, anything you set WW to do, will be overridden by this automation. You don't want any automation from GivEnergy - or anyone else for that matter.

              Secondly, your slot selections are interesting... and very confusing tbh
              SOC Less - is the value you do not want anything to happen at or higher than this value. So if you set it at 50% - the instruction will be ignored if your AIO is at 50% or higher SoC. Target is the SoC you want the charging process to take your AIO too.
              Your 'Night' window, out of the 12 half-hour slots, you want WW to choose 6 of them if your SoC is anything less than 100% and you want it to charge to 100% using 6 of the cheapest half hour slots and hold the battery in-between times.
              Your 'Morning' you want it to charge for 12 out of the 12 half-hour slots only if below 50% - but only charge to 50%
              Afternoon, you want it to charge for 8 out of the 8 half-hour slots but only if it is below 60% SoC and charge to 100% and hold on the other slots - there are no other slots to be held on, because you are asking to charge on them all
              Evening - charge for 2 of the 8 available slots but only if less that 10% SoC but only charge to 10% and hold on the rest.

              Do you concur? Is this really what you are trying to get your AIO to do - it seem massively overcomplicated to me.

              One question. What is your daily consumption of electricity. Ignoring what the AIO is doing - or not doing - what is your approximate daily kWh consumed by your house?

              Also, please note - even on Hold - your AIO will consume about 300W - 600W with Eco Mode set to on. It is just a GivEnergy thing...

                KristianS Thanks Kristian. We have an ASHP and have just bought our first EV. We also have solar panels alongside the GivEnergy AiO.

                We have only been in the house a year and installed the AiO and Solar Panels in March this year. Before the EV our usage in the colder month was around 40Kwh/day (this is likely to increase to an average of 60 - 70 Kwh/day with the EV).

                The timer on the ASHP is off between 16:00 hrs and 19:00 hrs. It is set to on for all other times

                In the summer months we found that we were largely self sufficient and had little demand from the Grid. Our export tariff is Octopus Fixed at 15p/Kwh

                So, ideally what I am looking to achieve is;

                1. To have the battery fully charged by 16:00 hrs
                2. Run the house using the battery only from 16:00 hrs to 19:00 hrs
                3. At all other times to maximise savings by charging (at lower prices) and discharging (when prices are higher) the battery.

                Please could you advise on your recommended settings to achieve this.

                Many thanks

                  Steve1 Thanks for the explanation, Steve. Your settings now make a lot more sense, albeit, maybe still a little too complicated.
                  Firstly, I am not a specialist, and I do not have any qualifications to support any responses. I am but a mere interested technologist. And so this is purely an opinion.
                  Ignoring the EV for now, because that should only be charged from the grid, at your worst point in the year, you will need slightly more than 3x the capacity in the AIO to furnish your house load.
                  Theoretically, your AIO can only supply about 7 hours worth of daily house load. [approx]
                  My immediate thought is you need a multi-AIO setup [currently only in beta] and that is not a cheap add-on to your setup.
                  Secondly, rather than Agile, have you considered Intelligent Octopus Go as a tariff, instead?
                  While Agile pricing can be lower than £0.07 it can also go much higher than the £0.25 peak rate.
                  So this brings another question. At what rate can you charge your EV - i.e. do you have an 11kW or even a 22kW EV charge point on the house? I ask, because of needing 30ish kWh for the car, will that be satisfied only during the nightly 23:30 - 05:30 IOG window, or would there be instances during the day where the car would be plugged in wanting a charge? The benefit of IOG is that any slots outside of the standard window would also be liable for the lower rate at £0.07.
                  You mentioned you turned off your ASHP between 16:00 - 19:00 - is this because it doesn't have a store of hot water it can use to cover the expensive period?
                  Another question. How do you produce hot water for the house? I am just trying to get a full top-down view of your situation - apologies for all the questions - but your requirements for energy are quite large :D

                    Also.... which edition of the AIO do you have, the 6kW or the 3.6?