WW value ?

warped-credit

I've been using WW for 6 months.
I'm on Octoplus Flux and I'm not into messing about with settings etc so prefer to keep it hands off. Not a huge user of lecky as I still have a gas boiler with a good 5 years life in it.
I chose WW because Octopus don't support Growatt for Intelligent Flux, which seemed a good hands off option for me.
Last 12 Months import 3253 kWh cost £870
Last 12 Months export 3277 kWh cost £ 480
Is there a simple way of quantifying the value of the WW subscription before I commit to an annual sub.

admin

warped-credit There's a good thread here by @MrMessy - https://community.wonderwatt.com/d/909-before-and-after-wonderwatt

And also of relevance may be his advanced forced discharging/export strategy which takes advantage of WW conditional logic: https://community.wonderwatt.com/d/934-wonderwatt-battery-discharge-cheat-sheet-unofficial

Especially useful if you are getting paid for your exports.

MrMessy

warped-credit not sure it's a simple way but, if my latest spreadsheet is correct, in the last 12 months WW will have saved me £170 (and countless hours and frustration), compared to the previous 12 months, minus the subscription cost of course.
Obviously, some tariffs (eg IOG, Flux, Cosy) are probably easier to quantify in terms of outright £s than for example Agile, where I suspect time and stress become a far larger influence.

When I've made it look vaguely presentable and added some notes, I'll post it to the already linked thread for public scrutiny. Not that I care what anyone else thinks.😝😅

duplada

I for one wouldn't hand over the control of my system to any third party, you can read quite a few horror stories over on the Givenergy Forum from people who have done just that.

I like you wanted a system that you can setup once and then it just works, but also one that can be modified in the future if things change. I am retired and I don't want the hassle of Home Assistant and the like, I have got better things to do with my time. I just wanted a system that is simple to setup, had good features, reliable, with good technical support.

I looked around at numerous systems and WW stood out not only for its innovative features, but if you read the threads on here, the developers are engaging with their users, asking for advice how they would like features to operate and taking on-board advice from the users of why and how they operate the system. That is how I used to to run my businesses, Tell the truth, don't say you can do a job wen you can't or have no experience with something, listen to your customers and most important of all give timely customer support (their problem is your problem), make your customer feel valued. We never knowingly lost a customer in over 30 years. Finding companies that operate with those old School values these days is very difficult indeed.

I recently had an issue with my schedules which stopped executing intermittently. The support I received was second to none I was getting replies and help outside normal of office hours and on weekends. I was impressed with the whole experience and very grateful.

Its a bit like being with the AA or other breakdown service how glad are you when you get transported all the way to your door after a motorway breakdown, You look at the annual bill and think can I do without it, finally you give in and pay it, but boy how glad are you now that you didn't cancel it.

So in summary its difficult to say how much saving £54 per annum means to you. To me its exceptional value , you would be subscribing to an innovative service which, listens to its users and provides timely second to none support, that I know you will be hard pressed to find anywhere else.

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duplada
Thanks for replying, I am also retired and agree with most of what you write. However I don't think it is unreasonable, in these days of AI and Algorithms, to ask if the service provided can demonstrate quantitatively, whether or not it saves money.

duplada

Well it depends on how you use the service. I am on IOG and export back on average over 30kWh per day of imported electricity alone, excluding my solar exports. Without the scheduling of WW it would be very difficult to achieve this. But time is money right? So the time I save not having to worry about the system is worth the subscription alone. In the future of course the current high export rates will reduce or transfer to peak time periods, with WW you have the flexibility to adapt.

duplada

admin And also of relevance may be his advanced forced discharging/export strategy which takes advantage of WW conditional logic:

That is one of the reasons that I subscribed, I use a modified version of the cheat sheet and it makes my import and export strategy possible. I can't thank you enough for that @MrMessy.

duplada

MrMessy When I've made it look vaguely presentable and added some notes, I'll post it to the already linked thread for public scrutiny. Not that I care what anyone else thinks.

That would be great many thanks.

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MrMessy
Thanks, apologies for the tardy reply, I've been preoccupied with a medical issue which drains my energy and concentration.
Before I retired I was an excel user of 30 years experience, however, I dumped MS Office 365 in favour of the free Libre Office as I only use one spreadsheet for my budgets. The Libre spreadsheet is not as slick as Excel so I'll need to extract the digit and download your sheet and figure things out.
I emailed Octopus twice about when, if ever they will include Growatt for IOF. I'll not hold my breath as they are not as responsive as they were 5-6 years ago when I joined.
My WW sub is due in 3 days so I' ll just go for the annual as everyone here seems to think they get a fair return.

MrMessy

duplada
£162.40 made/saved for 12 months Oct'24 - Sept'25, compared to the previous 12 months like for like, less the cost of the first year's sub.
Can't post to the original thread until the image hosting is resolved. 😞

duplada

warped-credit The joys of getting old. I hope you are feeling better soon.

johalareewi

warped-credit The Libre spreadsheet is not as slick as Excel

Had to use Excel at work and it was forever trashing imported CSV and text data. 🙁
I find LibreCalc a lot better at importing CSV and text.
YMMV

duplada

MrMessy £162.40 made/saved for 12 months Oct'24 - Sept'25, compared to the previous 12 months like for like, less the cost of the first year's sub.

Well done I will post my savings when I have the years a worth of data. I know I am saving money as my Octopus balance keeps going up. I Look forward to seeing your numbers when the picture issue is sorted

johalareewi

Not crunched any numbers but with the new Agile Export slot feature, I have been able to generate additional income by easily exporting my imported electricity. As well as WW selecting the cheapo slots to keep things ticking over and allowing me to tweak things over the internet while I am away it has been well worth the £54 for the year.