Today in particular has reminded me of what would be a helpful improvement to the Agile page. I'm sure I've seen this mentioned before but in a quick scan of previous posts I can't find it. Would it be possible to toggle Agile slots from charge, hold, discharge or just normal operation? Today I have had to create numerous discharge schedules in between charging slots to get as much cheap energy throughout the day before dumping it back in the grid. I've had 12 charge slots and 12 discharge slots. I would have liked to also have just held a couple of slots but really couldn't be bothered with resetting the Agile window just for that hour of hold.

Did this get looked at at all? Is this on the list of potential updates?

@"Kevin"#p7788 We will start some experimenting with this, thanks for the nudge.

I was about to make a similar request. When there is a long period of pricing that's well under the fixed 15p export rate, I would love to be able to select (or even better have WW propose) a "harvesting" mode that alternates between import and export for optimum lengths until there's only enough time left to charge back to the target SOC.

@"webmink"#p7854 This would be a good enhancement. I am doing this manually by pre-selecting all slots below 13p then deselecting the most expensive ones (even though below 13p) adding them as exports in the schedule. It takes me about 10 minutes to go through them then verify them (the red arrows showing the exports are really helpful). Starting with no charge (0) I count the slots to add up to 6 by the end (charge = +1, export = -1) and never more than 6 in the middle (7 is a full charge for my batteries). This means I import the maximum at the lowest cost. Finally I set my immersion heater on for the lowest 6 slots to heat my hot water too. In the schedule below I harvested about £5 during the 24 hours (exported 31 kWh some of which was solar) for an import cost of 80p for 32 kWh. A net gain of £4.20 - not bad for 10 minutes work. [URL=https://imgapi.wonderwatt.com/i/LKuWS0J.png][IMG]https://imgapi.wonderwatt.com/i/LKuWS0J.png[/IMG][/URL] 13p = 16.5p x 80%. 16.5p is my export rate and I assume 20% is lost through the batteries.

Having to use Schedules for export and the Agile Scheduler for charging is a bit complicated and trips me up from time to time. The Schedules and Agile can also clash if the windows overlap, with unexpected results. Being able to do charge, export, hold, etc. on a slot by slot basis all from the one Agile scheduler would be great.

@"johalareewi"#p7858 Yep, this is the next biggish change we will roll out. Ability to set export slots from the Agile screen, clearly without any conditional logic and just an assumed 100% discharge/dump.

UI pretty much finalised for this change, we will get the scheduling aspect sorted next week hopefully and then will open it up initially to 2 or 3 users, so shout with your WattID if you're game, cheers! And enjoy the sunshine!

@"admin"#p7922 I'm game: elaborate-routine

@"WindyMiller"#p7923 you got dibs!

Greater functionality of the Agile page.

johalareewi

admin All good for me. Not sure why the re-evaluation went AWOL on the first day but it was fine on the following days (and today).

WindyMiller

WindyMiller Mine worked correctly last night. So it looks like you shouldn't use Agile Windows and the Price below: setting and expect the manually selected export slots to work.

johalareewi

WindyMiller So it looks like you shouldn't use Agile Windows and the Price below: setting and expect the manually selected export slots to work.

That's interesting.
Looks like you did the same as me. Manually changed auto selected (by Price Below setting) charge slots to export slots. Mine all worked. My "Price Below" is set to 0.00.

WindyMiller

johalareewi I think the difference is my Price Below is set to 13p. This means the charge window and the Price Below are both setting the slot to charge and when I then choose one to be an export slot it goes wrong. I have decided not to use the charge window; just keeping the Price Below set to 13p.

admin

WindyMiller Thanks chaps, we’ll tackle this issue sometime next week. Thanks for the excellent level of sleuthing.

johalareewi

WindyMiller I think the difference is my Price Below is set to 13p.

There was a change recently to do with 30 min re-evaluation where a test was added to check for price < 0.00p and do something...
Admin said the 0.00p was hard coded in the test.
Maybe there is a funny with this test when the advanced Price Below setting is not 0.00p?

Linky to the thread
https://community.wonderwatt.com/d/946-agile-octopus-price-below-advanced-setting-improvement

MikeC

male-relative
The export slots i had set up before midnight worked OK but the ones after midnight didn't and the commands appear to have been duplicated in the activity log. The charge slots worked fine.

admin

MikeC We’ll have a look at that.

Here's the detailed log. Looks like there were some issues - likely due to the parallel commands being sent that messed things up.

This should now be fixed on our server scheduler. So you should not see duplicate entries for export slots anymore.

MikeC

Just had a look and the export from 6.30 this morning worked fine.

admin

johalareewi Yeah, I guess we need to also check if there’s an export slot, and allow that to take precedence? At least when price below is greater than 0?

johalareewi

admin
I think that if an Agile slot has been selected for export, it should fire off regardless because it can only be a manual selection and that is what the user has asked for.

Also we need some more long plunge periods to test this out !!

admin

johalareewi Yeah, makes sense, we’ll implement that.

WindyMiller

johalareewi My problem appeared to be that the export was correctly sent but that a previously sent charge instruction that encompassed it simply trumped it.

johalareewi

WindyMiller Maybe the contiguous block charge command didn't get its end time re-evaluated?
I have had that happen and an AC charge block just kept going. What's in the inverter logs?

WindyMiller

johalareewi
I think that's exactly the case.

You can see the initial charge times completely encompassed the export times and in my inverter charge takes precedence when both are active which they were between 3am and 4am.
Also notice the re-evaluate went off at 3.30am right in the middle of what should have been an export slot.

johalareewi

WindyMiller
Yes, looks like the re-evaluation has failed to spot the change (or act on it).
I did the same thing yesterday and it worked.
This is what the activity log looks like
OK the export failed to fire off so I had to do a manual quick export, but the AC charge time change was picked up and acted on.

johalareewi

Some good prices tonight and tomorrow. can give the greater functionality another testing. 🙂

amackayj

Hope I got this right
My battery is the GE AIO which changes at 6kw and is about 13kw so takes 3 hours (six slots) to charge. I also have an immersion heater and solar PV, so have to allow for those. I just don't want to be 100% when a slot kicks in, because I'll miss the bus. @admin is there going to be any functionality to suggest discharge slots?

MikeC

I had charge slots set up from 21.30 last night till 1.30 this morning. Charging started fine last night but it looks like there was a re- evaluation done just before midnight and charging stopped. Something to do with charge slots bridging the midnight period?
My export started fine at 1.30 and next charge at 5.30 was fine.
male-relative

admin

MikeC We’ll look into this and report back.

johalareewi

MikeC looks like there was a re- evaluation done just before midnight and charging stopped.

Same here. Had a charge block from 11:30pm to 1.30am. WW did commands to charge 11:30 to midnight, then commands to charge from 00:00 to 01:30 but the inverter never charged from midnight to 1:30.

neighboring-volume
Inverter = GE HY3.6 gen1

Looks like the command sent at 00:02:01 turned of the AC charge enable flag and zapped the AC charge end time 🙁

MikeC

MikeC
Did a fix get rolled out for the midnight charge problem? Agile prices were low again last night but I played it safe and just set the charge to run from midnight to 5.00 which is shown in the logs but for some reason it was interrupted at 1.30 and then restarted.

amackayj

I also noticed something not quite right at midnight. Both charge and discharge slots were selected. Clearing all export for both days sorted it. Here's my charging from last night

I noticed my battery was fully charged from 5% between 4h30 and 7 (5 slots) so I have tweaked my settings for today

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