Release 363 is now available. Main feature here is the introduction of Octopus Agile window 'hold charge' functionality for gapped (non-charge slots), which is ideal for ASHP and EV owners on agile. https://community.wonderwatt.com/d/96-wonder-watt-release-notes [URL=https://i.imgur.com/SpUlL9B.png][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SpUlL9Bh.png[/IMG][/URL]

As you can select individual half hrs to use for charging, will there be a way to select individual half hrs to not discharge? Or set a price for when the grid as apposed to the battery should be used to power the house? Also, if a half hour slot is selected, say at 1am and the next is at say 10.30pm the same day, wouldn't the battery hold from 1.30am untill 11pm?

@"Mat"#p1360 > As you can select individual half hrs to use for charging, will there be a way to select individual half hrs to not discharge? Not currently, we're trying to achieve that with this Hold Charge functionality. >Also, if a half hour slot is selected, say at 1am and the next is at say 10.30pm the same day, wouldn't the battery hold from 1.30am untill 11pm? No, the battery hold only is in place for any non-charge slots within your Agile Charge window. In other words, if you have an Agile Charge window from 00:00-06:00 (with Hold charge ON) and only one cheap slot at say 1:00-1:30 is selected, the hold charge starts at 00:00-01:00, then your charge happens, and the hold charge will continue from 1:30 until the end of your configured charge window, which is 6:00AM. Makes sense?

@"admin"#p1361 yep makes sense 👍

Inferior-opposite here! Just playing with the hold feature and I thought I would be seeing the battery hold until the 1130 slot I set and then go back on hold after that slot. The slot was set that was the cheapest so I know the command went through. 🤔[URL=https://i.imgur.com/YVFNiCz.jpg][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/YVFNiCzh.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

@"Mat"#p1373 Thanks for that, might be an edge case we've overlooked, where we need to issue a hold charge straight at the beginning of the charge window. Will look into it!

@"admin"#p1375 cheers. To confirm the charge slot started when it should at 1130. I didn't know if it had anything to do with setting the session up so close to when I wanted it to start.

@"admin"#p1375 sorry me again, id set the charge to 45% but it's carried on past that. The GivEnergy app shows that the slot has been inputed but that the 'charge upto' is still on 100%

@"Mat"#p1378 The SOC you set there is basically a minimum threshold setting (SOC less than) - a condition that needs to be met for the charge slot to start, not a "charge up to".

@"admin"#p1379 got ya. Every day's a school day. On a hold, does that also stop the solar going into the battery and into the house if its sunlight hours?

@"Mat"#p1380 >On a hold, does that also stop the solar going into the battery and into the house if its sunlight hours? Yeah, solar will basically go to the house in this mode (or flow grid side if there is excess) and won't go into battery.

Release 363 - Octopus Agile window 'hold charge' functionality

johalareewi

Mat would be helpful if you could charge from the pv if a hold was set during the day?

Good point.

johalareewi

Worked fine last night. EV charger didn't get any GE battery during a hold slot.

But from the logs, it looks like Battery Discharge is set to zero for pretty much all of the charge window rather than just the hold slots.

admin

johalareewi Yeah, with the idea being that it's being reset at the end. Do you see the reset for charge/discharge power in your Giv log?

johalareewi

admin Do you see the reset for charge/discharge power in your Giv log?

Last night breakdown...

Agile Charge Window is from 00:00 to 06:30
Selected slots are:-

First slot at 00:00 all OK.

First hold at 00:30 both charge and discharge set to zero

Next charge at 01:30 Charge is restored to 2600 but discharge remains at zero.

Next hold at 02:30 - Nothing received by inverter

Next charge at 03:00 no change to charge or discharge values

Next hold at 04:00 charge set to zero

Next charge at 05:30 charge resotored to 2600

Next hold at 06:00 charge set to zero

Window ends 06:30 - nothing in WW activity log but inverter has this

Battery charge and discharge both restored.

admin

johalareewi Thanks for the detailed breakdown, you can see the values that were sent but weren’t changed, by toggling one of the sliders at the bottom of the Giv log.

All in all, went OK then? Note that the latest release does not reduce charge power in a charge hold slot anymore.

johalareewi

admin Simple one last night.

GE Inverter log

Looks cleaner just using the Battery Discharge Power setting.

johalareewi

Just had an interesting situation.
Battery was at 96% and there were a few cheap slots coming up just before the peak period.
Tumble drier was on so using the GE app, I paused the battery so the tunble dryer would use the cheap electricity and save the battery for the peak slot. This was OK but half an hour later, Wonderwatt issued a PLAY command sequence. There is nothing in the WW activity log (apart from the skipping charge) and the GE app said battery was still paused even though it wasn't.

GE log

admin

johalareewi So that command was issued as part of the 'disable charge slot', which had just passed.

Part of disabling a charge slot (whether a charge happened or not) is to reinstate discharge power (and charge power - gets reset too if it's less than max)

Not sure how we could decide not to, and know about other external ways that users might well interact with their Giv systems that we can't possibly all cater for?

GE app said battery was still paused even though it wasn't.

The GE app is quite prone to still having stale or cached values.

johalareewi

admin So that command was issued as part of the 'disable charge slot', which had just passed.

Ah. Didn't realide that still happened when a charge slot was skipped due to high SOC value.
Still learning how this works.

admin

johalareewi It’s all good. I guess we saw it as something that wouldn’t cause any issues at that point. Most logical is to set those values back, as only occasionally you might mean them to be at 0.

freakouthtesquares

Hi, relatively new to this and seems a great product. One thing is during the 'gap' periods on agile my battery seems to be half on hold, half not, in that according to the giv portal it's trickling out c.300w with the rest of the load being met by the grid, rather than holding on whatever SOC it's got to in the previous charging window. Could you look into it? I'm tremendous-control. TVM

admin

freakouthtesquares Looks like we do just send the 0 discharge power and the Giv response acknowledges that it has been set, see below - but your Giv HY5.0 inverter still discharges somewhat.

As @johalareewi says, and I read similar things in Giv forums, some inverters are still discharging somewhat, despite discharge power being set to 0.

Our alternative approach to set SOC target to current SOC had a similar effect, which is why we switched away from that.

All in all, it's something that's unfortunately out of our control.

johalareewi

I think some Giv inverters will allow small battery discharge even when Battery Discharge Power = 0. I have a Gen 1 HY3.6 inverter and it doesn't discharge at all but on the Giv community, others have said thier inverter allows around 300W to discharge. Would be interesting to see which inverters people have who are using the Agile Hold feature, and what happens.

freakouthtesquares

Thanks both. Bit odd as it would maintain a steady SOC under the schedules I had set up via the portal, i.e. if charging window was 2-7am and it got to 100% SOC by 5am, it would remain there until 7am.

Also FWIW my inverter is definitely HY3.6 but for some reason in the portal it is marked as HY5.0

johalareewi

Gen 1 HY3.6 seem to come in different flavours depending on age. Also, there are reports on the Giv community that some HY3.6 are downrated HY5.0.
My Gen 1 was very unhappy with the SOC method to prevent discharge, even though with SOC = 100% it behaves as you describe. It could also depend on battery firmware. SOC calcs are a bit hit and miss on my battery. :(

freakouthtesquares

johalareewi johalareewi Ha, had not heard that re the downrating of HY5.0! Interesting. Mine is a Gen3. Very happy with it all told.

Thinking about it, my pre-WW schedule wasn't asking the battery to hold charge, it was asking it to charge for the whole window. So in the example above when it got to 100% at 5am it was then under instruction to charge until 7am, rather than hold. Perhaps that's why there's the difference?

johalareewi

freakouthtesquares it was asking it to charge for the whole window. So in the example above when it got to 100% at 5am it was then under instruction to charge until 7am, rather than hold. Perhaps that's why there's the difference?

When my inverter (like yours) reaches 100% SOC during a charge window, the inverter stops charging the battery and then runs grid only until the end of the charging period. Then the battery kicks back in. The original HOLD logic used this feature to drop the required SOC to the current SOC and assumed that the inverter would behave the same way but it was a bit wobbly. Probably because the battery SOC calcs kept changing the SOC. Setting Battery Discharge Power to zero seems to work better (unless your inverter won't go below 300W or there abouts).

johalareewi

Just had information from GE that the Battery Discharge Power setting is still in force during a power cut and will affect EPS. While setting it to zero for HOLD slots is working for me, if there were a power cut, the EPS wouldn't have any battery to use and the inverter etc. would shut down.

Thinking about how it works at the moment, an option to limit the Battery Discharge Power to 300W during a HOLD (or maybe a user defined value) would be ideal. There would be EPS power in the event of a power cut (this would prevent inverter shutdown and allow manual intervention to adjust the settings), and the GE battery would provide only enough power to run the house (during the HOLD) forcing the EV to charge from the grid.

johalareewi

Example of my battery SOC wobble. Around 6am, Agile HOLD in place so no battery discharge, but SOC flip-flops between 98% and 100%.

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